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Infinity Ziona
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.27 12:45:01 -
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The CSM is a scam. Any organized groups such as alliances / coalitions will easily outvote unorganized groups like the rest of the player base as long as voting is not mandatory. Its basic political science. When your alliance leaders direct you to vote for its candidate most will vote for that candidate. When you consider alt accounts a coalition might easily have more votes for that candidate than actual subscribers in EvE (CFC @ 40k votes x alt accounts).
Pays to do a little research on the so called independent CSM as well, some are in alliances corps that are affiliated with the but bigger alliances coalitions.
At most they represent parts of the player base in a very biased way.
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2619
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Posted - 2017.03.27 13:09:07 -
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Gregorius Goldstein wrote:The CSM may not be representing all EVE players but only the bigger organized blocks, but that is still better than no focus group. Direct feedback from all players would be more democratic but less useful to CCP. Do focus groups like the CSM neglect the opinions and needs smaller player groups? Certainly, but some kind of filter is needed to keep things on a manageable level. GÇ£Everybody tell us what you think and want pleaseGÇ¥ would only be a placebo because there was no time/way to read/listen to such much input anyway. Liquid feedback sounds better in theory than it works out in reality.
It was the bias of the larger blocs which resulted in years of blue donut.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.27 13:14:56 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I never understand the criticism of the CSM and 'organized' groups. If you don't like organized groups of people voting against what you think are your interests, why aren't you organizing your own group?
(Rhetorical question, everyone knows the answer, which is that "impotent rage is easier than positive action")
So your answer to the issue of blocs outvoting non-blocs is to create more blocs? That's as smart as saying people who don't like criminal gangs should start their own criminal gang.
Better solution is to eliminate the manipulation from the vote.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.27 16:26:01 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I never understand the criticism of the CSM and 'organized' groups. If you don't like organized groups of people voting against what you think are your interests, why aren't you organizing your own group?
(Rhetorical question, everyone knows the answer, which is that "impotent rage is easier than positive action") So your answer to the issue of blocs outvoting non-blocs is to create more blocs? That's as smart as saying people who don't like criminal gangs should start their own criminal gang. Better solution is to eliminate the manipulation from the vote. Which is why I use the term "impotent". You're literally saying "stop people from doing people things". That's stupid and undoable, if you believe what you are saying, why not find others who believe the same? No one says you have to fly with them. I know, another rhetorical question, because damn near no one agrees with you so why would they ever vote like you lol.
Nope I'm saying the voting process needs a rethink. But nice strawman
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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